Brian Timpone Responded to my Blockshopper.com Complaint Blog Post.

By Matt Dunlap on June 16th, 2010 12 comments
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UPDATE: Insights into why Blockshopper does what it does.

First of all, I want to thank Brian for addressing my Blockshopper complaint. There are many websites that steal content and are hidden behind fake accounts or just straight up spammers.

Here is the original post

I don’t need to tell anyone that Blockshopper.com is highly controversial. It’s at the forefront of where the Internet is heading, meaning lack of control over our personal information.

Can we alter this path, or have we already lost control?

I received an email from Brian Timpone

Hey Matt– read your blog. I’m the founder of Blockshopper.

Point of clarification– we publish public information.

The information about an individual’s home purchase– collected by
government– does not “belong” to that individual any more than record
of their campaign contributions or lawsuits filed would.

It seems you are confusing personal information willfully submitted to
a social net or to a private company (e.g. phone company) with a
certain expectation and public information collected by governments.
Like every media outlet in the US has done for 100+ years, we collect
that information from governments and use it to publish derivative
news & data products.

If you think governments shouldn’t be collecting this information,
that’s another argument I suppose.

Glad to answer any questions for you about what we do/why we do it. I
think you’d be surprised by the answers.

best, brian

I have since replied, asking for Brian to write a guest blog post telling my readers why blockshopper merges information from social networks to public tax records.

Hi Brian,

I know what you do and why you do it… This has nothing to do with governments “big brother”. So let’s not go there.

Let’s focus on the fact you have created a website that pisses a lot of people off, Is using content from social networks to generate keywords for Google SEO, and tries to wrap a “web 2.0″ real estate website around it to make everything OK. I have no idea how profession or education of homeowners helps the consumer with real estate.

My whole argument is that we should have control over the content we put on social networks. We should have the right to opt-out from websites that use our content for purposes that we don’t agree with.

The argument of, “don’t use social networks, if you don’t want your information public” is total BS. We live in a world were being connected helps get a job, find lost friends, and learn new things. When companies start bending those rules for profits it creates outrage amongst the public.

FYI, I’m going to blog all this…

Brian, Not only would I like to hear your reasoning on why you made blockshopper, but I think a lot of my readers would too, Since you are glad to answer any questions about what you do, why you do it, please write a guest blog post for my website. I will not edit it and post it as a guest post.

It will be open to questions and comments from my readers and I’m sure it will be interesting.

Matt
I would leave you my phone number, but you probably already know it.

[UPDATE]

Brian’s response:

Matt– you clearly don’t know what we do or why we do it.

We collect and clean up public data and make it readable and useful.
And we write news stories about home transactions. Real people do
this– just like they’ve done at community newspapers for a century.

This isn’t about keywords or some automated SEO trick; we have 3
million visitors because our content is useful and interesting.

As for “I have no idea how profession or education of homeowners helps
the consumer with real estate,” you might ask one of those hapless
home buyers living in a half-filled or foreclosure ridden subdivision
if they wish they had been more interested in “who” was buying next
door.

Local news local because its about people, Matt.

Thanks for the guest post offer, I’ll think about it.

brian

So, for all the people that find my blog with the search term “blockshopper complaints”, BTW there are a lot, and to the one person that searched for “Blockshopper must die”, I think this is a great opportunity to ask Brian a question.

If you have a question for Blockshopper, please ask it in the comment section.


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[...] “It’s all public information…” Yeah, I hear that a lot from you…  You guys just don’t listen. He sputtered out typical Blockshopper BS, then just hung up on me. Too bad, I was hoping to get some good information about why Blockshopper thinks it’s OK to use your information. [...]

Vandervecken
Comment added: 9 July, 2010 at 12:12 pm

These people are the goddamned scum of the earth. If people want their names and addresses removed, they should remove them. Their explanation for what they’re doing boils down to “we’re doing it because we can, tough.”

This so-called public information is sure as hell not available to me! That is a line of complete BS.

Vandervecken
Comment added: 9 July, 2010 at 12:17 pm

What media outlet of the “last 100 years” collects people’s names and addresses and publishes them on the Internet without their consent–except Blockshopper?

WE ARE GOING TO FIND A WAY TO TAKE YOU DOWN, TIMPONE. WE WILL PUT YOU AND YOUR EVIL BUDDIES IN THE POOR HOUSE.

robert may
Comment added: 25 July, 2010 at 9:34 am

While I understand why some people do not like it, I completely understand what the blockshopper (bs for short) is saying. There is tons of info avaiable to the public in the public records of municipalities, states, courthouses, etc. I believe their goal is to connect that publicly available info to the other publicly available info of social networks.

We as consumers have little to no control over those public records kept by gov’t and courts, but we do have control over the public info we share with internet sites. If people were a bit more diligent or aware they wouldn’t be so generous with their personal information on social websites that are guaranteed to share and give away anything you tell them. That is where the problem is.

This guys site doesnt seem to do anything that a consumer could not do themselves if they wanted to spend the time to do searches of public records and then cross those with searches of social networks. They just make that easier.

Consumers really need to read the membership agreement they sign on to and stop assuming that it is anyone’s responsibility but their own to protect their personal data.

:)

Matt Dunlap
Comment added: 25 July, 2010 at 1:58 pm

Robert,

I checked out your blog and see that you are a very active RE blogger and you also touch on SEO in your blog.

Since you are a Realtor, how do you feel about BS using the tactics you mentioned in your comment to steal website traffic from you? In other words, they are combining “keywords” with public data to spam Google.

The combination of social media and real estate data doesn’t make online real estate a better experience. BS does it because they want to get all over Google. Everybody searches for their name online, BS takes advantage of that.

It’s not just BS. Zillow (widgets), trulia (widgets), and yes even Activerain (badges) have clever little tricks to get you to link to them and raise their PR and website traffic. Leaving the hard working RE blogger to create all the content, and not get first page SERP.

I don’t think that BS is in Canada, so you aren’t affected by them, but here in the Bay Area, they are, and I consider them stealing food from my baby’s mouth every time they spam Google!

Seriously, Robert, Would you advertise with them if they were in Canada?

Mike the Sarasota Real Estate guy
Comment added: 25 July, 2010 at 2:26 pm

@Matt GREAT response, Matt!

I am a realtor. These big-box sites rely on “our” quality content to control the SERPs. As Matt said, all the “big box” sites do it with widgets, badges, etc.

More importantly, though, we merely check off we’ve read the TOS, allowing aggregators to SELL our information.

I’m surprised this Brian Timpone even responded, though his arrogant response doesn’t surprise me.

This is the most absurd comment I have heard in a long time and I live & work with Sarasota Foreclosures every day (that is, Sarasota, Florida):

“As for “I have no idea how profession or education of homeowners helps the consumer with real estate,” you might ask one of those hapless home buyers living in a half-filled or foreclosure ridden subdivision if they wish they had been more interested in “who” was buying next door.”

@Brian Timbone This is pure unadulterated bullsh*t. Those “haples” home buyers you mention KNOW what you should know: Foreclosure seems to have nothing to do with profession or education. Of course, you, Brian, know this. You’re just trying to give a response you think will pass as plausible.

Certainly, BT is aware 1 in 7 homeowners with a mortgage debt at or above $1 MILLION dollars is in some stage of foreclosure. Tell me what education and/or occupation has to do with this?

Timpone is just another SCRAPER using a loophole and our laziness to his benefit…pure and simple.

Respectfully submitted,
Mike

The Money Coach
Comment added: 29 July, 2010 at 1:38 pm

I respect that there is an open debate on this issue. The great thing about the internet is we have blogs like this that can expose (if necessary) unscrupulous methods of companies like Blockshopper, companies (like Blockshopper) have a chance to respond. We the readers have a chance to form our own opinions and if passionate enough, can blog about it as well, tweet it, and raise further awareness.

I am cautiously optimistic that we who give a shit about the internet can work to keep it clean!

Matt Dunlap
Comment added: 29 July, 2010 at 5:33 pm

” am cautiously optimistic that we who give a shit about the internet can work to keep it clean!”

Yes, that is the big question. The funny thing about Internet is that you can have a controversial business, and with other people blogging about you, will boost your popularity. There is no way to group together and stop visiting the site, or boycott the advertisers… Just can’t do it

Harrison
Comment added: 16 August, 2010 at 7:23 pm

Blockshopper is disingenuous in it’s dealings with the public. They know it and they thrive on it. But, the principals are professional at a** kissing their clients and advertisers. Scarlett Simpson, who for all purposes doesn’t exist, states that they in fact, have an “OPT OUT” policy, which they do, but it excludes about 99% of people. She and the whole company are slimes. If they were an upstanding company, like many others that provide public information, they would have a genuine opt out policy. If not, with all the public information available about them, they should be followed home, to school, to the grocery store, to the gym, to the gas station, to restaurants for lunch and dinner so they experience first-hand what an invasion of privacy means and so they get off their pedestals and treat others as they would like to be. They should be ashamed of their cockiness and bully antics by eddie@blockshopper.com.

Matt Dunlap
Comment added: 16 August, 2010 at 8:37 pm

Yes, a lot of people feel the same way you do… All we can do is vent and let it out.

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